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Joe, a little-known fact is that the T5 was used in Mustangs all the way to 2004. Behind 5.0L through '95 and 3.8L through '04. The cool thing is that the later V6 trannies are common, newer, generally driven softer than the V8 versions, and are rated the same torque capacity as the older Cobra T5. Even the bellhousing bolts right to our small blocks, and the starter is the same too. One note - mechanical speedometers were only used to '99, so '00 and newer ones have an electronic sensor and no mechanical speedo drive. Good luck hunting!

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Found this in the Transmission Articles. I know it is a few years old but may you (or someone else) can add a little or clairify a little bit more.

I see the reference to the 5.0LV8 and the 3.8L V6. I was thinking I might find a cheap pre 1999 mech spedo mustang that I could use as a parts car for most things - T5, bell housing, clutch & disc, flywheel etc that I could use on my 1965 Falcon SW 302 3 speed. I started checking Craigslist & I found several 1996'ish mustangs with a 5 speed behind a 4.6 V8?

Is the trans behind a 4.6 V8 a T5?? Will it bolt up to a 302? How about the Flywheel/clutch????

Any Idea if anything else will move straight across to the Falcon?? Wheels, suspension, brakes? Anyone ever do this?

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Joe, a little-known fact is that the T5 was used in Mustangs all the way to 2004. Behind 5.0L through '95 and 3.8L through '04. The cool thing is that the later V6 trannies are common, newer, generally driven softer than the V8 versions, and are rated the same torque capacity as the older Cobra T5. Even the bellhousing bolts right to our small blocks, and the starter is the same too. One note - mechanical speedometers were only used to '99, so '00 and newer ones have an electronic sensor and no mechanical speedo drive. Good luck hunting!

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... I see the reference to the 5.0LV8 and the 3.8L V6. I was thinking I might find a cheap pre 1999 mech spedo mustang that I could use as a parts car for most things - T5, bell housing, clutch & disc, flywheel etc that I could use on my 1965 Falcon SW 302 3 speed. I started checking Craigslist & I found several 1996'ish mustangs with a 5 speed behind a 4.6 V8?
That was all sounding like a good plan - until you said 4.6L.
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Is the trans behind a 4.6 V8 a T5?? Will it bolt up to a 302? How about the Flywheel/clutch????
No, it's a T45. No, not without special and very expensive adapter parts, so you're back where you started or worse. No, completely wrong bolt pattern, diameter, and balance. Put the 4.6 down and step back . . .

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OKKKKKKKKKKK - Stepping back - wayyyyyy Back!!

Thanks.

But the 3.8L stuff will all fit correct? So If I find a 3.8L with a 5 speed it will be a T5 and everything from the flywheel back will work. Fly wheels are the same so the front balancer works or will I have to do something with the balancer????

The 302 I have has a 3.03 3 speed. I can just pull trans, bell housing, clutch off and use the 3 speed flywheel ( if it is good) or use the 3.8L flywheel if it is good. Replace the pilot bushing with a pilot bearing for the 5 speed, clutch, disc and bolt up the bell housing from the 3.8L & stick in the T5. Then deal with the crossmember/driveshaft, misc stuff.

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That was all sounding like a good plan - until you said 4.6L.
No, it's a T45. No, not without special and very expensive adapter parts, so you're back where you started or worse. No, completely wrong bolt pattern, diameter, and balance. Put the 4.6 down and step back . . .

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But the 3.8L stuff will all fit correct? So If I find a 3.8L with a 5 speed it will be a T5 and everything from the flywheel back will work. Fly wheels are the same so the front balancer works or will I have to do something with the balancer????
The 3.8 uses a different tooth fly wheel its 164 that means you need to use the 3.8 starter and the correct tooth fly wheel. Ford put the 164 tooth in a lot of different things so as long as its the correct weight for your engine you will be fine. Other than that the 3.8 stuff will work with a 302 no issues.

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OK - So I think what you just told me is that if I pick up a mustang with the 3.8 & 5 speed I can use the T5, shifter, bell housing, fork/throw out bearing and depending on how "used it is" I can use, clutch pressure plate and clutch disc on the existing 302 flywheel if it is good. If I find the 302 flywheel is bad I could probably use the 3.8L flywheel & starter, if they are good, but I need to pay attention to how many teeth each flywheel has because both could be 164 teeth??

It almost sounds like I am keying in on the 3.8 flywheel but I'm really just trying to learn about these "fords". I almost think I'd be better to just hang with the 302 flywheel. Just resurfacing the existing 302 flywheel and probably just getting a stock clutch "kit" to put it back together with since I have no idea how hard the one in it has been "used"


Am I right in thinking that all T5's use the same clutch disc?

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The 3.8 uses a different tooth fly wheel its 164 that means you need to use the 3.8 starter and the correct tooth fly wheel. Ford put the 164 tooth in a lot of different things so as long as its the correct weight for your engine you will be fine. Other than that the 3.8 stuff will work with a 302 no issues.
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Just did this swap twice last summer with a 97 3.8L T5 in my 65 Falcon sedan and my 66 Mustang coupe. Here's what I found out during the swap.

I you want the mechanical speedo you'll need a pre-96 tailshaft housing. I used a 93 which required some creative grinding as the later T5's had an "oil slinger" added to the od gears that the housing is machined for. The earlier tail housings don't have it but some time with a grinder solved that.

The 3.8 bell can be used with the correct starter and a 164 tooth flywheel as mentioned, but the 3.8 flywheel will not work. It is a 0 balance and will vibrate the 302 badly. You need to find a flywheel with the proper balance for your engine year. The 3.8 T5 will bolt up to a 94/95 V8 bell (hard to find) and allows the standard (in most cases) 157 tooth flywheel. I used the 5.0 bell in the stang & 3.8 bell in the falcon. The flywheel also dictates the clutch to a degree. I used a late model diaphragm clutch in both cases so I had to find a flywheel that had that clutch type bolt pattern. The 157T flywheel was easy, the 164T I would up using a flywheel from a 64 Galaxie with a 289. Don't remember the part number off hand.

I went hydraulic setup in both cars. I know the fork comes out lower in the bell which gave me extra space in the Falcon. That engine compartment is 1" narrower than the Stang so header space is at a premium. I used a external slave cylinder on a home made bracket to actuate the clutch (no one produces one for this T5 application) . Went internal on the Stang, so no fork at all (kinda leary on that one after some stories I've heard about leaks).

The Falcon required some floor pan surgery to keep the driveline angles correct. I pie cut the tunnel and extended the floor to raise the tail of the trans. Wound up cutting into the cross brace and "re-designing" that while I was there.

Too many things to finish on the Stang so I can't say how it works just yet. The Falcon drives beautifully and I get around 23mpg on the highway if I can keep my foot out of it... Only thing is I tore her down again to add EPAS and swap in 06 Mustang bucket seats and a homemade console.
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Thanks - makes sense on the flywheel. Good info.

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Just did this swap twice last summer with a 97 3.8L T5 in my 65 Falcon sedan and my 66 Mustang coupe. Here's what I found out during the swap.

I you want the mechanical speedo you'll need a pre-96 tailshaft housing. I used a 93 which required some creative grinding as the later T5's had an "oil slinger" added to the od gears that the housing is machined for. The earlier tail housings don't have it but some time with a grinder solved that.

The 3.8 bell can be used with the correct starter and a 164 tooth flywheel as mentioned, but the 3.8 flywheel will not work. It is a 0 balance and will vibrate the 302 badly. You need to find a flywheel with the proper balance for your engine year. The 3.8 T5 will bolt up to a 94/95 V8 bell (hard to find) and allows the standard (in most cases) 157 tooth flywheel. I used the 5.0 bell in the stang & 3.8 bell in the falcon. The flywheel also dictates the clutch to a degree. I used a late model diaphragm clutch in both cases so I had to find a flywheel that had that clutch type bolt pattern. The 157T flywheel was easy, the 164T I would up using a flywheel from a 64 Galaxie with a 289. Don't remember the part number off hand.

I went hydraulic setup in both cars. I know the fork comes out lower in the bell which gave me extra space in the Falcon. That engine compartment is 1" narrower than the Stang so header space is at a premium. I used a external slave cylinder on a home made bracket to actuate the clutch (no one produces one for this T5 application) . Went internal on the Stang, so no fork at all (kinda leary on that one after some stories I've heard about leaks).

The Falcon required some floor pan surgery to keep the driveline angles correct. I pie cut the tunnel and extended the floor to raise the tail of the trans. Wound up cutting into the cross brace and "re-designing" that while I was there.

Too many things to finish on the Stang so I can't say how it works just yet. The Falcon drives beautifully and I get around 23mpg on the highway if I can keep my foot out of it... Only thing is I tore her down again to add EPAS and swap in 06 Mustang bucket seats and a homemade console.
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Can a T5 be installed in this classic Ford?!
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Can a T5 be installed in this classic Ford?!
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