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#4 ·
As stated the top end is impressive as a tunnelport intake and correct heads.
The bore is correct , Looks like a standard stock crank cast iron, not a $ steal crand but a very good 427 crank
Rods are lemans rods that came in 69-70 428scj, 65-67 427 , 66-68 hiperformance 427
Carbs are low risers that came on 427
Starting at top carbs are worth $600.00 apiece even if they need rebuilt and probaby do. Tp intake looks like a ford part over $2000.00 .
Thats over 3 grand , I seen them for more , Ask where the linkage is if he has it for the carbs.
A man I know has tp heads asking 2000 for them here
Rods are lemans can be bought around 450.00
Thats around 6 grand so far

Block has screw freezes , good side oiler 4 grand easy if it is ok. For that money he would not mind you or him having that block checked for any cracks or flaws to be worth it

Something has hit piston like the valves were going too close and striking. Could even look like a screw or something was on top of the piston , like someone accadently dropped one in one of the carbs at one time and stopped the motor right before more damage, look at the head over that piston

Defintley needs to be rebuilt , thats gona cost ya as well checking as you go. The price is worth being all is there IF he allows you to have block checked, Busted up it will take time at a swap meet to get 12 grand back looking for profit .
If block checks out and main thing is will that 12 grand put you out . To a man living on the street he could not afford the oil in it but Bill Gates , 12 grand would be pepsi money . What I am saying is there is not a price on fe motors of that magnatude but what one is willing to pay. I am building one now and will have more than that in my 427 but not paid all at once, as I get money so .....
If you have cash throw down 9 grand in front of him and start there. Can always go up but can never go down once you agree on 12 grand. I maybe wrong somewhat but I should be close. Others will follow that knows more than I, hope some here helps ya.
 
#5 ·
When I go buy alot of good stuff do this. Ask him for that amount of money what else does he have . When you offer him say starting at 9 grand what else does he have to throw in with the motor that he is not attached to then you may go higher . If he throws in more things you can sell it to get part of money back no matter what he throws in as you get closer to him asking price. Alot of ways to gain to your side . Whatever you may get you can post it on ebay if you donot goto a swap meet. Just think of productive ways as you talk but if you want it and can pay have the money with you when you pop.
 
#6 ·
Got up to get something to drink , could not sleep and thought about checking in. Thought someone would post to help but guess all is asleep and will latter.

Anyway what are your plans to do with that motor meaning run on highway or race it totally or both? Reason is if you plan to push it hard I would check a few more things .

You could do a bench test on springs to see where the coil bind would be. My heads are getting weak so I shimmed them up back to get around 240. I checked them again after 2 runs and now I got 3 at 165. So I donot want to drop a vale . Gota buy a set around 400 bucks. If you donot plan to push it hard then ya maybe ok. Just things wear out like the heads
Even though they are tp heads you can check the thumb prints to see if they have been milled to death. If you donot know what a thumb print is , it tells how fresh a head is . Type any info you wish to know on google and then read all you want when windows comes up to learn about a 427 is your best bet being noone here can go to look for themselves to help

Another thing, if somewhere the block should have a crack , I dought it being that is a pretty good motor but never know with out a sonic check. On top of the cylinder walls between the pistons take a sharp knife and run it accross each web. If a crack there (where most crack at) a knife blade should fall in enough . Way to check a block bare is tap it. Makes a funny ring unlike a good block when a crack is there.

I had a 427 built and there was a crack in the vally, we welded it up but after it was built water mixed with oil, we never had block checked , stupid . A crack also ran down into the top of the threads for head bolt . It ran about 2 weeks . Cam wore down from egg shaped to a golf ball and solid lifter hollowed out, a h and m ground cam as well. I know this maybe alot to read but 12 grand and what in future you are going to spend if all goes well is gona be tough not counting if something screwed up. I donot know you but hate to see anyone not get what they pay for . On ebay that motor will not bring his price for buyers there wish to resale to make money , not saying not worth it, just site unseen gona be had for him to find a buyer.
Everything checks out for you then in future you got bragging rights to a set ya back in the seat motor to be proud of . I will hush , just trying to help ya, good luck.
 
#8 ·
Another thing,lol, until someone will post smarter than I am , I will call my speed shop and get back to ya. If your heart is set on spending I will find out what my speed shop will charge to build you a tp with all the trimmings. You can bet the farm when I get back the price will be larger than 12 grand . Let ya know what that motor is worth if all in it is useable.
 
#9 ·
DanH said:
$6K at the most . thrown together with left over parts , no NASCAR engine
thats if there is no damaged block or heads . the rotating isn't worth much above scrap price
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There ya go, Dan I am sure is smarter than I might better listen for I was not intrested in crank ,rods and pistons. for that matter you could use a 390 crank for if a $ steal crank then price rises.
 
#15 ·
I called the shop and talked about this motor. Did not take long for his opinion for to stay away from that motor with the price range he is asking. The intake is not the best one , about 700. If the damaged piston was hit close to the rings it is a chance the block was hit also. He stated most cases on a 427 the block has low tolerance in that situation and when the motor is cranked again a crack could show up . If motor has sleeves it is not nessasary a bad thing unless the sleeves are side by side, if so stay away from the block. Something about sodium vals left inside a tp head will eat away while sitting.

However he did say if you want a tunnelport that is street friendly that is a side oiler for 12 grand he has one complete and ready to go. This motor has the $ bill steal nascar crank , nascar rods and pistons . The wide rods side rails are clean polished heat treated , block decked that is over bore 47. Tp heads and intake with a pair of 750 carbs . Cranked and running that will pound as hard as you like. He said for 12 grand that motor should be running if you want it.

I asked over 47? He said yes people think a block is 30 , 60 or 100 over , he bores what it will take and order pistons whatever he decides to bore one, can be any size one wishes for a block to be.
He built my high rise side oiler and it sets the front wheels back on the ground middle of third gear standing on wheely bars.
 
#17 ·
If you send me a email I will direct you to a man I know that has a son who works at the H and M shop in Charlotte and he will give you his opinion on a Genesis block and what it consists of to prepare it to fit cam bearings and other machine work AFTER you buy it. I done checked on a Genesis block , too deep for my pockets.
I donot know if he will sell just the tp heads and intake or not but you can call . Send me a email and I will give you the shops number. He has 42 427 blocks on the shelf and all for sale any application you like. Before calling you should know what you plan to do with the motor. There is different builds for street, all out racing and inbetween . I live in nc , shop is in Maryland 5 hours away from me . Hard to deal when you are far away. where you live? Does not matter who you buy from , it is just hard to find someone out there that is honest when you spend that kind of money and knows 427s .
 
#18 ·
Number at Holman automotive in Charlotte on westinghouse blvd is 704-583-2888. You can ask for Lee Holman , he will talk to you if you can catch him. He is the granson of Lee Holman who started Holman and Moody . Ask him about how much a complete tunnelport will cost ya. Bet he prices it over $26,000 as well ask about the Genesis blocks then you will hear it from the horses mouth.
 
#21 ·
I have posted this motor on other threads but he is asking 7000 for this .It has the steal nascar crank , polished side rail rods, apr bolts, 47 over nascar pistons. Block has been sonic checked before build Blocks been decked and I am sure this short block is as strong as you would want a 427 to run and hold up for a long life of hard pounding.It is a side oiler . Why everyone wants a side oiler is beyond me. There is stronger 427 blocks out there like an industrial block has more meat in it , center oiler.

You want a 427 and its power it has then ya gota start somewhere and one done right is not cheep at anyones shop. This is new rebuilt and they stand behind theirs built. Buy parts as I do for my money comes slow after I sell parts. I refuse to spend my work money on a car , takes time but pretty soon I got what I want. Probably he take less who knows. The 427 is behind the 406. Shoot ya want power for same price the 406 is not bad never bored and fresh and you will get it running or want to save you get it complete anyway for less and you place heads on , intake and finish. Everything comes complete less 3 duces but for 7 I will buy you 3 carbs
 

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