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C4 leak driving me nuts!

29K views 20 replies 10 participants last post by  Gearhead99  
#1 ·
Hope someone can give me the answer. After installing a new pan gasket with an aluminum race pan, I can add fluid, not start the car, let it sit overnight and it leaks. It appears to be leaking from the pan gasket, but I have replaced it multiple times and the aluminum pan has a real ridgid pan rail. Other than the pan gasket, what would make it leak just sitting there. If it's the dipstick tube o-ring, it sure doesn't look like it. I looked at the trans with a black light and the fluid does flouresce, but can't really see anything other than maybe coming from between the bellhousing and main case. Would it cause this much leak from the pump seal or o-ring? I don't want to pull the trans if I don't have to. Any help would be greatly appreciated. Thanks
 
#4 ·
A cheap fix for a leaking dipstick is to pull it out, remove the o-ring, clean it and the tube with good solvent or laquer thinner and then coat the o-ring with Lock-tite's Gasket Maker. just a thin film is all that is necessary. Install the o-ring and put a thin film around the assembly. Put it back together -no leak.
 
#5 ·
Could it be leakin from where the kickdown lever connects at the shift lever? I had my kickdown lever off for quite some time, and it was leaking pretty bad.. driven or not. Put a new o-ring and bolted the lever on and the majority of the leak has stopped. I still have a small drip, that could be either the dipstick tube as suggested, or perhaps I have the wrong o-ring installed behind the kickdown lever.

Mike
 
#6 ·
The kick-down shaft can be sealed with a Quad-ring in place of the o-ring for a better seal. Always be sure to lubricate the seal with Vaseline before you install it.
 
#7 ·
There are no leaks down either side of the case that I can see. It has to be either the pan gasket, front pump seal or the dipstick tube. The worst of these would be the pump seal to replace. I would like to know if it would leak just sitting, without starting the motor from the pump seal. I'll remove the dipstick tube today and check it out.
 
#8 ·
The pump seal is not likely to leak while the engine is off. It will leak withthe engine on and then drip after it is shut off. It would drip out the front bottom of the bell housing though and is less likely to be around the pan area.
 
#13 ·
My c4 had 6 bolts holding the front pump housing to the front of the tranny in my 66 mustang.. It leaked from THAT seal, to me that's the pump seal...
Here is a pic of the front pump on the C4 I did... Maybe they don't have this style anymore, maybe they do I dunno...
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The convertor snout seal AND the pump seal both can leak...
I just refer to them separately, but my terminology is probably screwed up :)

FE
 
#16 ·
Update on leaking C4

Well, I replaced the dipstick tube o-ring and filled her back up with ATF. It doesn't leak as bad, but now it appears to be coming from between the case and the bellhousing. Obviously, the trans will have to come out, but should the pump have to be removed? Thanks
 
#17 ·
Re: Update on leaking C4

If it is leaking between the bellhousing and the main case then it would have to be the pump gasket, loose bolts or stripped threads on the pump /bellhousing bolts. If it is the gasket or stripped threads then yes the pump will have to be removed.
 
#18 ·
I have the same problem with my C6. I think it's becasue my mechanic suggested a power flush (never again) when I had him change the A/T fluid last year. A few weeks later, leaks near the bottom of the dipstick tube. Had that fixed. Few weeks later. Small leak near the kick down lever. I fixed that leak myself. Now it's leaking behind the neutral switch. Have to wait till spring for that job. Anyone has any suggestions on fixing a leak around switch?
 
#20 ·
Anything that has threads, a flange or an o-ring that doesn't have to spin can be sealed with Lock-tite's "Gasket Maker". Just a thin film (.010") on the threads, flange (or gasket) or o-ring and put it togerther normally.
In my experience putting silicone RTV on an o-ring makes it leak worse. If that happens to you try the Gasket Maker.
I have even sealed transmission leakes when the leak is a bolt through to the sump. I just put the Gasket Maker on the oily threads, shaft, and head of the bolt and put it back in. Leak stopped!
 
#19 ·
Suggestions - if you have to replace the pump gasket, get a piece of 4" plastic pipe and a toilet flange. Screw the flange to a piece of 2 x 12 and glue a chunk of 4" pipe to it about 3' long. Stand the trans on it's tail in the tube and it will let you install the gasket and pump DRY, which helps the seal tremendously.
2) place a bead of RTV around the lip of the filler tube above the o-ring. Let it start to set, then install the tube. Let it set up for 24 hours before you add fluid. Do not do this before the trans is installed - do it after it's in the car. If you mess with the tube during install, you'll break the seal.

I run a cast pan and ALWAYS have problems with the dip stick o-ring leaking of I have to disturb the tube after installation. It always looks like it's coming from the pan, but it comes from the tube and runs around the front top of the pan/case area.